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greetings citizens and welcome to

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i'm jason mcclellan thanks for hanging

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out with me i know it's been a while

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since our last episode

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life's been busy it tends to get that

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way

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and i know we're almost at the end of

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this strange year

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so i certainly wanted to get another

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episode out to you all before then

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and we've got a fun ufo photo to talk

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about

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so let's get to it

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on december 2nd the newly launched media

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outlet

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the debrief published an article titled

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fast movers and trans-medium vehicles

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the pentagon's unidentified aerial

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phenomena task force

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the article reveals that two classified

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intelligence reports on ufos

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have reportedly been widely distributed

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to the us intelligence community

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during the past couple years and the

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reports reportedly contained

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clear photos of ufos

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a day after this article came out the

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debrief published a follow-up article

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that included one of these ufo photos

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allegedly leaked by someone

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who would have received the intelligence

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report the article's author tim mcmillan

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describes quote

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while details are difficult to make out

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the image appears to depict

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an inverted bell-shaped object which is

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not readily identifiable

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given the photo's context the object

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appears to possess

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ridges or other protrusions along its

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lateral edges

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extending toward its base end quote

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tim also clarifies that this photo is

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the one described in the december 2nd

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article as showing a cube-shaped object

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that initial article described quote the

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debrief was told that the accompanying

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photo was captured from within the

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cockpit of an f-a-18 fighter jet

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with the pilot's personal cell phone

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according to three u.s

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officials who had seen it the photos

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showed an unidentified silver

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cube-shaped object

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the report is said to have indicated

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that the object was hovering

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or completely motionless when military

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pilots encountered it

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all three officials agreed that based on

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the photo the object appeared to be at

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an altitude of roughly thirty thousand

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to thirty five thousand feet

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and approximately one thousand feet from

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the fighter jet end quote

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naturally and understandably the

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emergence of this photo

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caused a stir in the ufo community and

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as these things do we're seeing

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world reporting on this as well

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as they should we've got a photo

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allegedly from official sources

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showing an object photographed from a

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fighter jet that the intelligence

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community views as an unidentified

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flying object or unidentified aerial

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phenomena

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that's always cool and it's newsworthy

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although it's common knowledge to ufo

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researchers that pilots see weird things

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all the time it's not necessarily

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something the general public is aware of

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and i will add that i trust the

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reporting and verification of details by

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the author of these articles on the

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debrief yes

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i do consider tim a friend but he

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is an amazing journalist and researcher

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the level of digging and follow-up he's

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done related to this story

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is awesome alright let's briefly talk

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about this photo

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first of all it is a bit confusing that

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as cube shaped what we see in the photo

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is no cube it's more like an inverted

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or as macmillan describes an inverted

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and as he also pointed out details are

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difficult to make out

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frankly i'm surprised by the amount of

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detail that does exist in this photo

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i mean he was taken with a cell phone

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1000 feet away while the jet was tearing

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seriously f-18s crews at faster than 600

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the fact that there's any detail at all

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to look at with this ufo

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in the photo is pretty amazing this ufo

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photo has apparently been floating

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and it's allegedly been in the

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possession of other individuals since

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incident itself

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the photo is everywhere now so what does

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extraterrestrial visitors or some

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unknown phenomena almost as soon as it

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internet sleuths confidently proclaimed

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they had solved the puzzle

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the answer a mylar balloon possibly a

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the apparent shape of the object in the

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photo is seemingly a perfect match to

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the shape of a batman balloon after all

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but is that a realistic possible

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can a balloon really get up that high

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scientist podcast about that

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this sort of plays into an overall view

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involved in this which is that the

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in the world governments as a whole

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much more knowledge about this phenomena

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that the debrief put out there which are

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weird cases of pilots or

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weird encounters not knowing what's

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where you know you can photoshop a

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ability to kind of cut through the noise

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and be the truth and everything else

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it looked like a lot of photos uh anyone

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who's investigated things in this field

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had seen before you know the only

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photo you might send in a mufon

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was that this one appeared to be taken

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military or whatever are going to be

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you know super soldiers they know

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everything and they never get tricked by

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anybody and

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you know and that's just not true you

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know they're just people

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reports that are sort of don't hold up

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know like they're people they're just

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uh really really good at one specific

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everything you know people like you know

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engineering and yet

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shows and talk about all kinds of crazy

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that i just have no background on you

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i think it's the same thing here people

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you know everything every case that gets

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reported to the military every case to

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get support to the government every

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when i first saw the picture

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legitimately the first thing i did

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was google um was google batman balloon

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because i bel i actually there was a

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or i believe it was from mufon but these

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sorts of mylar balloons are actually

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i think this is really interesting this

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is like a great photo what the heck

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is this this looks like something i

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like this looks better than any photo

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i've ever seen and i'm not even kidding

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someone else on my team was like dude

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triangular craft and they were like no

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you know you need to watch sesame street

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more chris um

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think about this right they are flying

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faster than any of us listening have

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they are not only are they traveling

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have never seen before in the sky

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would be extremely rare for a balloon to

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have gotten to the heights that we

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think this plane was flying at most

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mylar balloons or most balloons

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generally

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will pop before they reach kind of any

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higher than say like

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i think i was looking this up actually

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the record for like a helium

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plastic helium balloon or not a plastic

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but a rubber helium balloon

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is something like 1.6 kilometers so

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about one mile

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um and that one was like surrounded by

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other balloons so they they kind of all

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rose together mylar balloons on the

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other hand

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uh can rock can raise higher than that

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the thing that really causes a balloon

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to stop rising

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is first off the pressure um

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the pressure causes it to become

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non-buoyant um so it just starts to fall

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or it can't get any higher

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and usually the balloons are destroyed

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right they either pop because the mylar

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is

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pressure changes it changes the

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deformation of the plastic and

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or the material and it causes it to

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burst or pop

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but you know there but really there is

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no limit to kind of how high a balloon

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theoretically could go besides like

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you know there is no more gas for it to

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float there is no more gas for it to be

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buoyant with

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so uh it's not impossible that it would

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be a balloon

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i do think it would be um again if it if

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it is a balloon it would be

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a rare event but

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so would it be a uap so would it be in

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the ufo

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and so you're gonna ask yourself which

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one is more which one is more rare

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it being a balloon or being a uap that

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just happens to really look like a

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balloon

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and you know i think most people are

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going to come down on the side of saying

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um this is this is mo it's more likely

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that this is a balloon or this

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more likely that this is something known

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that was misidentified

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now that being said these are trained

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uh pilots i mean we don't know much more

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about the event

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either you know in the article itself um

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the debrief mentions that it wasn't just

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the picture that was interesting it was

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the

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uh data coming in from you know kind of

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the contextual data from the event as

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well

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so and supposedly the the

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the people analyzing this photo thought

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enough of it to conclude it probably

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wasn't a balloon

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now we don't have all of that info and

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we don't know frankly who the people are

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that are analyzing this we don't know

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anything about that

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um but i do think that kind of the

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lesson to take from this

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just because you think something is

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really great you know

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there's a quote or there's kind of an

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idea in the scientific world

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called publisher parish and another way

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of kind of saying that is

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if you do an experiment and you solve

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some huge problem right you find the

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cure for cancer

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if you can't manage to then get that

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cure published

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or purchased by a company or or get it

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out there out the door

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you didn't really do it right who cares

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then because you never

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exposed it to the world so it can never

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do any good for anybody

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i think there's a a bit of a lesson here

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in that this photo looks

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you know to one set of people maybe

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really extraordinary really interesting

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but to the public it may go over

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like um like a lead balloon

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you know it may not go over that well

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and so it's

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again i think part of the problem of

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trying to think and trying to mold the

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message too to say to the public

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this is something really interesting

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this is why and then this is how we need

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to kind of put it out there like

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i think the lesson here isn't that the

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quality of the data is necessarily bad

397
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although i am not

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really blown away by the picture at all

399
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um you look at it and you think that's

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it's something

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misidentified it's not like something

402
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interesting necessarily

403
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um but if it had that contextual data

404
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around it

405
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maybe we'd be having a different

406
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conversation even the claim of it being

407
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potentially like a batman balloon right

408
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the reason

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um people are saying that it might be a

410
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batman balloon is because it looks

411
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like it has the general shape of that

412
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right i've seen another one actually

413
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it's funny

414
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that says it looks a little bit more

415
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like majora's mask which actually i

416
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agree with

417
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um and i hope that this is nintendo

418
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telling us that we're getting a majora's

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mask

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uh remake for the switch or maybe a

421
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sequel the best zelda game

422
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fight me um no i mean you know anyone

423
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the beauty about this is that anyone at

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home can try to do this same

425
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um test themselves right obviously not

426
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while you're driving but while someone

427
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else is driving you

428
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try to take a photo of a far away object

429
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that is that you know try to get a clear

430
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photo of an object far away

431
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as you're moving it is exceptionally

432
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difficult

433
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it is not easy um and you're only moving

434
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maybe say it

435
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you know 30 miles per hour to 50 miles

436
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per hour um

437
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it is the idea that this

438
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photo i'm actually sort of

439
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i have no information on this i have no

440
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insight and insight on this at all

441
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but i would actually be very surprised

442
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if what we're seeing is

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the only photo first off that's the

444
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first thing i'd say

445
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i would imagine that if if if you saw

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something crazy

447
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in the sky and you thought enough to

448
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take a photo of it you probably took

449
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more than one photo

450
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so this is probably so in context of the

451
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other photos

452
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we might see something more interesting

453
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it may not

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spiky

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object that's uh you know out there in

456
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the in the sight line

457
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it might be those might be distortions

458
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of the pixels themselves of the image

459
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those might be

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upscaling of the

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of the object that we did to try to get

462
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,279
a clear image of it

463
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:28,079
those might just be uh it might just be

464
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the light

465
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hitting off of the object in a weird way

466
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:33,519
right we are not used to seeing things

467
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,040
in like above cloud lighting so

468
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:39,120
the chances of us being able to say that

469
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is what x looks like

470
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:43,199
you know none of us really know because

471
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:44,320
we're not up there

472
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,000
all that often um so

473
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i guess all in all i mean you know it's

474
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potentially a photo of a photo or even

475
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if we had the original photo

476
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it's still going to be something we're

477
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:57,680
looking at

478
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:00,959
which is very far away is

479
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:03,040
hard to kind of parse through all of the

480
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noise and error that could have been

481
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introduced

482
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by the way we took the photo and then on

483
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top of that

484
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:11,679
um you have these other expectations

485
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:15,760
on it i would actually be surprised if

486
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:18,559
if you showed that to a group of 100

487
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people

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and they had no prior knowledge to what

489
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it could be

490
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i actually doubt very much that that any

491
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of that group would come out and say

492
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that's probably like a kid's balloon

493
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i think that that came out only because

494
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,120
the ufo community is so used to getting

495
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reports of ufos that turn out to be kids

496
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:38,320
balloons frankly

497
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um it's not something i don't think the

498
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the public might think well maybe this

499
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is a balloon or something

500
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but i'm not sure that they would be as

501
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,200
quick to determine

502
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:49,760
um what it was on top of that too we do

503
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:51,440
have to take into context the fact that

504
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these are this is a report coming from

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this this is a report coming from an

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internal uh working group supposedly

507
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that is analyzing these sorts of pieces

508
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of data

509
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,080
so they might know more than we know and

510
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it might actually be interesting

511
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um but i will say again that

512
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like think about the vietnam war right

513
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this is kind of like we're going on a

514
00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:15,360
long walk here but

515
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during the vietnam war kind of

516
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atrocities

517
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and sort of the the horror of the war

518
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itself

519
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both for our people serving overseas and

520
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also the people of vietnam

521
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the horror of that war kind of was there

522
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from the very beginning

523
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but the public didn't

524
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:40,799
ask for change really until

525
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clear photos of kind of atrocities and

526
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gruesome

527
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horrors being inflicted on the

528
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vietnamese people and also

529
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wounded soldiers and dead soldiers

530
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started to make its way to the united

531
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states

532
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airwaves the re you know the difference

533
00:19:01,510 --> 00:18:59,440
between

534
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,520
something like an image being impactful

535
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:03,520
and it actually causing social change in

536
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a way

537
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,799
that is interesting and it just being

538
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:08,559
another piece of news that goes out

539
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:09,760
there to the internet

540
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,559
i think it's a very it's a very fine

541
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,080
line it's a very

542
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:15,760
um it's like trying to capture lightning

543
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,400
in a bottle so this idea that

544
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,320
you know if something is enormous and

545
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important as

546
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and horrible as like war um or even say

547
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:27,120
like like covet like the thing we're

548
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:28,720
living through now

549
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,080
if images and statistics and

550
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:35,280
data around those events aren't

551
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:39,520
enough to skew the public towards action

552
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:43,039
um what hope is there for a

553
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,480
for a photo of a blurry object

554
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,400
you know i think i think that it's sort

555
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of we are

556
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,960
we are barking up the wrong tree

557
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,799
if we think that there will ever be a

558
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photo

559
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:00,320
that makes disclosure happen

560
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,320
you know it's it even if even if um

561
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:06,000
even the idea that it would be something

562
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,120
like the government coming out and

563
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,799
saying like yeah there's you know

564
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:11,120
yup we've been talking to the ufos you

565
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,919
know what i mean

566
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,840
i don't know i don't know if that is

567
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even gonna necessarily be effective

568
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,559
that being said though i do think that

569
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the fact that a report like this exists

570
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the fact that it came out of the

571
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government

572
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is in itself interesting and i you know

573
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:29,039
although i think for most people the

574
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,640
quality of the data

575
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:32,080
that appears to be coming out of that

576
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,919
group at least the one that was leaked

577
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,840
appears to be kind of lackluster and i

578
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:36,960
think

579
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,080
a lot of people are disappointed

580
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:42,159
at the same time you have to also

581
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,360
realize that this is

582
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,400
a this is why it's important

583
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:49,600
to study what is actually in the skies

584
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,880
it's why it's important to know um

585
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:55,440
what things like this you know known

586
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:56,720
objects would be

587
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:59,679
would look like you know if if there was

588
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:00,840
a

589
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,159
seriously

590
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,760
for them to be able to say was this

591
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,520
actually a mylar balloon i'm gonna go

592
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,120
buy a mylar balloon

593
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,880
you know i'll buy a dozen mylar balloons

594
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,400
let's fly them up there

595
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,760
and let's see what you guys see does it

596
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,600
look anything like what we're seeing not

597
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,600
a hard experiment

598
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,679
and it's not really even an experiment

599
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:30,880
it's just like uh

600
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,320
you know it's just like a test um so

601
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,360
i do think yeah i don't know i

602
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,799
understand people being kind of

603
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,480
disappointed or like what is going on

604
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:42,240
like what is this but i don't know what

605
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,840
people expected i guess

606
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,760
and because we're talking about a photo

607
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:50,000
here i reached out to my buddy mark

608
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,120
d'antonio

609
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,200
the chief photo and video analyst for

610
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,760
the mutual ufo network

611
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,400
well when i first saw it um my first

612
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,880
thought was

613
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,039
i bought a mylar balloon from one of my

614
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,640
kids that looked like that

615
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,640
so could this be one of those and i

616
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,039
started looking online and i found

617
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,280
many different you know superhero shapes

618
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,360
and stuff like that that were this exact

619
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,200
shape right down to the wrinkles and

620
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:17,360
puckers that you see on this object

621
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,880
so um there's an old phrase that says if

622
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,559
it walks like a duck and quacks like a

623
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,360
duck

624
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:27,120
right well in this particular case uh

625
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:30,640
i do want to caution that while i

626
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,520
don't know everything i do think that in

627
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,039
this particular case we can

628
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:38,320
pretty safely assume that this object

629
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,799
was

630
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,440
likely one of these balloons and these

631
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,600
balloons can actually travel

632
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:46,000
quite fast they can travel up to 100

633
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:47,440
miles an hour if they get into the jet

634
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:48,400
stream and they could

635
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,200
potentially get up there you know as

636
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:52,960
they rise they'll expand and

637
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,000
really become tight like a drum

638
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,080
this guy that i saw it didn't look like

639
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,760
it had done that

640
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:01,280
it looked like it had it was still

641
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,799
somewhat low altitude

642
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,200
my impression in looking at it was that

643
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,600
as i said earlier a moment ago

644
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:08,960
my impression of looking at it was that

645
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,000
it appeared to be a mylar balloon

646
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,840
uh in fact one of these specialty

647
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,679
balloons like a

648
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,919
superhero type balloon or some other

649
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,240
type of balloon that has that particular

650
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,320
shape

651
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:24,480
and uh you know batman is popular for

652
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:25,600
that particular shape

653
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:28,960
in fact so but you know

654
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:32,159
being the mufon chief photo video

655
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,440
analyst it's important to

656
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:36,000
keep an open mind so i started searching

657
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:37,280
around to see

658
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,039
if i could find a close uh

659
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,279
representative of this balloon and sure

660
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,360
enough they were all over

661
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,240
so it wasn't too hard to find and

662
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,000
because it was only a photo and not a

663
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,600
video there was nothing else that i

664
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,440
could examine i couldn't see

665
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,520
movement paths or anything like that i

666
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,320
couldn't see any kind of

667
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:01,120
changes to its shape if it morphed as as

668
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,919
some things

669
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,799
have been stated to do so i just

670
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,000
basically thought

671
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:09,039
this uh you know looks very much like a

672
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,720
mylar balloon

673
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,880
and i recognized that i could see the

674
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,880
three-dimensional shape to it

675
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,520
and from the many years of studying

676
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,200
these kinds of things

677
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,640
there are certain times when you look at

678
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:22,320
something and say oh well that's just a

679
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,120
balloon

680
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,440
and you sound flippant you know you

681
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,120
sound arrogant

682
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,000
and so you have to excuse when someone

683
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,600
does that who's been doing this for a

684
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,120
long long time

685
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,919
so although these things can surprise us

686
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:37,279
this particular one

687
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,960
unfortunately did not surprise me i felt

688
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,400
from the very moment i looked at it that

689
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,760
it might have been a mylar blue and i

690
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:45,520
found plenty of examples

691
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,799
online that indicate that's very likely

692
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,760
just what it was

693
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,600
and i say very likely because as a

694
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:52,960
science guy

695
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:56,400
we can't always say it is we

696
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,279
have to recognize that we are not

697
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,720
infallible

698
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,080
and it's that arrogance which i've

699
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,679
always fought against in science which

700
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:05,840
is why i have an open mind about the ufo

701
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,960
uh arena at all a mylar balloon could

702
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,679
probably

703
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,240
go that height whereas a latex balloon

704
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,679
might not

705
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,679
because the latex balloons will leak the

706
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,600
helium very much

707
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,080
quicker than a mylar balloon and then

708
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,679
the intervening hours it might take a

709
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:23,360
latex balloon to climb to such an

710
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,320
altitude

711
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,120
as it expands that helium is getting out

712
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,960
through those pores in the latex because

713
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,240
that's how it works

714
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,520
you know you know it is you have a

715
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,799
healing balloon next day it's on the

716
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,279
ground

717
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:35,440
hey what happened to my balloon okay

718
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,320
it's because it's

719
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,799
leaking through that that barrier the

720
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,919
plastic barrier

721
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,520
in the balloon because helium is very

722
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,679
very tiny atom so

723
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,760
um when you have a mylar balloon on the

724
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,000
other hand that's more impervious

725
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:50,000
to helium leakage it still happens but

726
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:51,200
much slower

727
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,559
so that would actually bolster

728
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,159
the possibility that this is something

729
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,120
at that altitude and and standing still

730
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:02,320
um i don't doubt it um compared to the

731
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,039
f-18

732
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,559
if this thing was just going up in an

733
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,400
air column it wasn't you know in a jet

734
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,600
stream or something

735
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:09,279
then sure enough it would it would

736
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,720
relative to the f-18

737
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,480
it would look like it's standing still

738
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,840
it might have been rising

739
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:17,039
at maybe a meter per second but the f-18

740
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:17,440
wouldn't

741
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,120
the photo was taken with a cell phone

742
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,640
one of the things you got to consider is

743
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:24,559
that the pilot had time to take out his

744
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,360
camera

745
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,039
take out his iphone or his android

746
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,640
whatever he had one of the two

747
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:31,520
most likely iphone okay and pointed at

748
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,080
the thing

749
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,279
and snap a picture now

750
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,640
the fact that he could do that meant

751
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:38,799
that he was traveling in very still

752
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,640
non-turbulent air kind of a clue

753
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,720
that maybe that air mass the balloon was

754
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,559
also traveling through was also

755
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,159
still it was only if it's only a

756
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,799
thousand feet away at a thousand feet

757
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:53,120
you're gonna see this type size mylar

758
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,159
balloon which is about

759
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,000
two feet across by about two and a half

760
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,679
feet tall um

761
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,760
okay and they come in variety of shapes

762
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,720
and sizes that

763
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,520
that way too but this shape comes in

764
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,679
about that size and you can get them

765
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,320
in various iterations of that but at a

766
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,159
thousand feet it would be a speck

767
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:13,039
so he's reporting stuff that it actually

768
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:13,520
fits

769
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:17,039
with it being a mylar balloon so

770
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,720
you know as far as the sunlight um

771
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,120
you know at 30 000 feet you can still

772
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,279
have cirrus clouds up above you

773
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,320
which will dull the light on it and the

774
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,000
cell phone may

775
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,399
if it didn't catch a direct sun glint it

776
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:34,080
might put it in shadow depends on the

777
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,200
time of the day

778
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,399
know i mean was it noon

779
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,760
or was it like two three okay yeah

780
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,600
so the sun could have been behind it

781
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,880
making it appear darker

782
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,240
and if it was in front of it it would

783
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:48,399
have been very bright so clearly the

784
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,039
light is

785
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,440
coming from an angle that wasn't

786
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,279
sympathetic to the photographer

787
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,799
okay trying to actually get a nice

788
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,039
bright shot of it because the light was

789
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,159
behind it or on top of it or whatever so

790
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,200
um not knowing those that data means we

791
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,720
don't have enough information to

792
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,919
judge that part of it but

793
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,279
the question really is could one of

794
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:11,840
these mylar balloons get up that high

795
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:15,600
and the answer in my estimate is yeah

796
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,720
i don't see why not because the mylar is

797
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,679
going to be much

798
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,799
more like i told you less susceptible

799
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:24,799
to letting helium escape than latex

800
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,870
[Music]

801
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,120
of course balloons can and do go

802
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,279
extremely high in the sky

803
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:35,679
weather balloons research balloons solar

804
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:36,399
balloons

805
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,880
sure the object in this photo is a

806
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,919
balloon

807
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,880
no of course not but it's a strong

808
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,000
possibility

809
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,880
and it's the logical conclusion and yes

810
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:51,279
without a positive identification

811
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:52,720
we can certainly entertain the

812
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,840
possibility of more exotic explanations

813
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,799
but as with all ufo sightings when you

814
00:29:03,029 --> 00:28:59,840
have a strong

815
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:03,039
likely explanation it's pretty silly and

816
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,760
pointless

817
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,760
to try to force the extraterrestrial

818
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,000
explanation in there

819
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,360
so in the end this new photo is just

820
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:13,919
another to add to the decades worth of

821
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,600
filing cabinets filled with ufo photos

822
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,279
it's great that the officials who were

823
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:21,679
shown this photo found it compelling

824
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,640
and or concerning and maybe it'll be a

825
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,600
catalyst to

826
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,360
improve the government's current ufo

827
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,919
efforts but who knows

828
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,320
it could conceivably have the opposite

829
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,600
effect

830
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:36,000
the fact that information is already

831
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,279
leaking to the public

832
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:39,279
from the pentagon's recently formed uap

833
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,480
task force

834
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,640
and or others in the intelligence

835
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,840
community

836
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,159
could be detrimental to the longevity of

837
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:47,679
the project

838
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,799
time will tell it's almost guaranteed

839
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,240
that we'll get more information

840
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,399
and details in the near future about

841
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,760
this photo

842
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,360
and the second photo mentioned by the

843
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,679
debrief that reportedly shows a

844
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,320
new and extremely clear photograph of an

845
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,279
unidentifiable triangular aircraft

846
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:08,080
so watch for that and if you haven't

847
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,440
done so already

848
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,200
i do encourage you to read the two

849
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:12,559
articles about these photos

850
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:14,830
at thedebrief.org

851
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,399
[Music]

852
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,000
well citizens that's gonna do it for

853
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,080
this episode we've got some changes

854
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,240
coming to this show in the new year

855
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,640
i'll tell you about those soon i promise

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you can find more episodes of unknown on

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all the major podcast platforms

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and you can always find the show and our

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other shows at rogueplanet.tv

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because unknown is a rogue planet

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production where planet.tv is your home

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for all the strange this show is at

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unknown ufopod on twitter

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i'm at acecentric on twitter and

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instagram and you can always email me at

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jason

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rogueplanet.tv thanks again for hanging

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out today

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i'm jason mcclellan do us a favor

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friends always treat the ufo subject

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with the cautious and responsible

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skepticism it deserves

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question everything have the courage to

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form your own opinions

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keep truth as the focus of your quest

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even if the truth conflicts with your

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opinions

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and of course stay strange